A Day On Wikipedia

JohnCD: August archive

=August 2008=
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scooby Doo: The Beginning]] ==

Plenty of sources have turned up in a day. You might want to reconsider your !vote in this afd. [[User:TenPoundHammer|Ten Pound Hammer]] and his otters • ([[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Broken clamshells]]• [[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Otter chirps]] • [[WP:HELPTPH|HELP!]]) 00:58, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
*AfD already withdrawn when I woke up. Technically still fails [[WP:NFF]] but if shooting really starts in a few days it may as well stay. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 06:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

==Yaringa Boat Harbour Marina==
I actually haven’t finish the article, you tagged it before I added the references. Now my additions are not displayed and I don’t know why. Please, look at the editing page of the article and give me advice what to do. Thank you! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/212.98.167.221|212.98.167.221]] ([[User talk:212.98.167.221|talk]]) 13:49, 4 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:UnsignedIP –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*There’s a problem with the reference – I’ll sort it out and come back to you in a few minutes. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 13:57, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
:*(further reply on his talk page at [[user talk:Prokopenya Viktor]].)

==Oops==
Lol. Pressed the wrong button. Can you please stop spamming my talk page with your nonsense? Thanks in advance! [[User:Hampickles|Hampickles]] ([[User talk:Hampickles|talk]]) 19:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment was added at 19:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)<!–Template:Undated–> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*A deal: you stop creating inappropriate pages, and I’ll stop sending you messages about them. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 19:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
**I’m guessing you’re the type that edits Wikipedia for fun and giggles? Here’s a deal: Stop spamming my talk page with your empty threats, nonsense, flaming, etc. Please and thank you! You can view the guidelines at [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]] [[User:Hampickles|Hampickles]] ([[User talk:Hampickles|talk]]) 20:15, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
***(this led on to vandalism on my talk and user pages and eventually an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:Hampickles indef block]). [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 09:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

== IMBIT article ==

Hello John,

I’m now reading through the requirements for an organization. Hopefully the article will remain, instead of a deletion.
Do you have any suggestions? —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Kriskras|Kriskras]] ([[User talk:Kriskras|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kriskras|contribs]]) 11:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*The important guidelines are [[WP:ORG|Notability (organizations and companies)]] and the ones about [[WP:V|verification]] from [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IS|independent sources]]. If IMBIT is a new organisation, ”independent” references (not its own website or press releases) are likely to be the problem. If you are yourself concerned with IMBIT, you should also read the guideline on [[WP:COI|Conflict of Interest]] and the [[WP:BFAQ|Business’ FAQ]], especially the sections headed:
:*[[Wikipedia:FAQ/Business#Why doesn’t Wikipedia have an article on my company?|Why doesn’t Wikipedia have an article on my company?]]
:*[[Wikipedia:FAQ/Business#I think my company deserves an article on Wikipedia but none exists. What can I do?|I think my company deserves an article on Wikipedia but none exists. What can I do?]]
:Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 11:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

== Meriwether Lewis Clark, Sr. ==

Hello John;

I was still adding, editing, and correcting typos in the article when you moved it to another location of Wiki… where did it go???

[[User:Aedwardmoch|Aedwardmoch]] ([[User talk:Aedwardmoch|talk]]) 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Aedwardmoch[[User:Aedwardmoch|Aedwardmoch]] ([[User talk:Aedwardmoch|talk]]) 17:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
*It’s at [[Meriwether Lewis Clark, Sr.]] [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 17:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== question ==

i’ve seen plenty of other articles written the exact same way that have not been deleted. please explain.[[User:Sandersonpr|Sandersonpr]] ([[User talk:Sandersonpr|talk]]) 16:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
*The fact that some unsuitable articles have got in is not a reason for allowing more – see [[WP:OSE|Other Stuff Exists]]. Crossing with your message I posted one on your talk page explaining that Wikipedia is not for promotion and pointing you to relevant guidelines; see also the reply headed ‘IMBIT’ two up on this talk page. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 16:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Fx Solutions Page – help needed ==

JohnCD –

I added 2 outside sources to my page and also tried to post it in the Business Economics Wikiprojects page for review.

Can you verify I took all the necessary steps to get my page added.

Thanks —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fxsol|Fxsol]] ([[User talk:Fxsol|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fxsol|contribs]]) 14:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*(replied on his talk page). [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 21:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

== Re: Ben Mullany ==

Since we did just hold the AfD on it, you’re probably better off trying to discuss it on the article’s talk page first. You’re right in that AfD’s don’t normally have anything to do with redirection, but we do occasionally close one with that result and some may see it as a rather [[WP:POINT]]y way to ‘delete’ the article. If you don’t get any objections (give it a week or so, so that it has a chance to be noticed), then sure, go ahead. Thank you for not trying to drag this to Deletion Review. [[User:Hersfold|””'Hersfold””’]] ([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]]) 20:01, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, Deletion Review is intended to appeal any deletion or closure of a deletion discussion, be that keep, no consensus, delete, or anything else. That said, it is sort of a last resort and you are expected (if not required) to attempt to discuss with the deleting/closing admin before filing a review, and are expected to have strong evidence or arguments as to why the closure was not appropriate. Simply ‘I don’t agree’ will get you turned down real fast. Don’t know why I’m going on about it so much since you’re not doing it (THANK YOU), but just for future reference, I suppose. Let me know how your discussion turns out. [[User:Hersfold|””'Hersfold””’]] ([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]]) 00:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
::That sounds good. Be ready to discuss things if Welshrich doesn’t agree with it, but everything should sort out ok. Thanks for checking back in. 🙂 [[User:Hersfold|””'Hersfold””’]] ([[User:Hersfold/t|t]]/[[User:Hersfold/a|a]]/[[Special:Contributions/Hersfold|c]]) 04:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

== Re: 2081 (film) ==

There is a trailer available on the finallyequal.com website. To my knowledge that is reasonable proof that filming has (and is) taking place. Admittedly I am new to the Wiki business (‘long time reader first time writer’), so I’d love all the tips I can get.
[[User:JayLv99|JayLv99]] ([[User talk:JayLv99|talk]]) 10:47, 19 August 2008 (EST)
*That seems to be the film’s own web-site, so doesn’t count as an [[WP:IS|independent source]]. If the film is at all advanced there would surely be an [http://www.imdb.com/find?s=tt&q=2081&x=20&y=8 entry on IMDb]. First publicity about a film like this often appears at a very early stage when they are still trying to raise money.

:For general advice, look at the links on the Welcome paragraph I put on your talk page; for this particular situation, [[WP:V]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:IS]], [[WP:NF]] on notability of films, in particular [[WP:NFF]] for forthcoming films, and [[WP:CRYSTAL]] for Wikipedia’s general attitude towards future events – as an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]] it needs articles to be much more solidly based than most web-sites like blogs and fan-sites.

:You will see from the [[WP:PROD|PROD]] template that you are quite entitled to remove it if you disagree with deletion ”for any reason” – PROD’s are meant for uncontroversial deletions. Unless I can find some sort of confirmation, I would then probably list it on [[WP:AfD|Articles for deletion]], which would start a five-day discussion about whether it should be deleted. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 15:09, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay. This makes sense. I e-mailed the director and will save what I had placed on there to be resubmitted once it gets some independent backing. Hopefully they’ll get on imdb or some other place soon. [[User:JayLv99|JayLv99]] ([[User talk:JayLv99|talk]]) 17:11, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
*Good – I was going to suggest you save it so your work won’t be wasted. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 17:36, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
**Does the MPI link I provided constitute a valid enough source? [[User:JayLv99|JayLv99]] ([[User talk:JayLv99|talk]]) 15:34, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
***Not really – it helps confirm the film exists but not that it’s ”notable” because they aren’t independent: they funded the film, and in fact the article says they produced it. See long comment which I have added to the AfD discussion. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 21:02, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
****I added some new information from another source that has definitely helped add more material to the article and hopefully will take care of the issue of notability. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JayLv99|JayLv99]] ([[User talk:JayLv99|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JayLv99|contribs]]) 14:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
I was an extra in this film. It wrapped months ago. There are numerous references to it on the web. IMDB is, very often, NOT used by filmmakers who are not inside the studio system (I should know as I have appeared in sveral films and found them all to have taken FOREVER to appear on IMDB) —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.18.28.64|70.18.28.64]] ([[User talk:70.18.28.64|talk]]) 00:10, 20 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:UnsignedIP –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>

== Thanks…. ==

Thanks for the notice on my talk page inre [[2081 (film)]]. I appreciate the courtesy you have extended. ”'[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]”’ ”[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]” 23:18, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

== Articles deleted ==
*Deleted [[Gregg Easteal]] – [[Kim Inglis]] – [[Kenny Toal]] articles. But don’t know how to remove them completely. Could you help? Thanks. [[User:This is Drew|This is Drew]] ([[User talk:This is Drew|talk]]) 16:09, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

*Many thanks [[User:This is Drew|This is Drew]] ([[User talk:This is Drew|talk]]) 16:33, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Tanya Huff]] ==

I’m not connected with her, but I have read the books in the past two weeks. [[User:Me-123567-Me|Me-123567-Me]] ([[User talk:Me-123567-Me|talk]]) 19:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, and I did cite a source. All the book articles list the ISBN number. [[User:Me-123567-Me|Me-123567-Me]] ([[User talk:Me-123567-Me|talk]]) 19:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be an acceptable compromise if I were to instead list them in [[List of Tanya Huff novels]]? [[User:Me-123567-Me|Me-123567-Me]] ([[User talk:Me-123567-Me|talk]]) 19:19, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::You mean like the list of her works that ALREADY EXISTS at her own article? [[Special:Contributions/71.204.176.201|71.204.176.201]] ([[User talk:71.204.176.201|talk]]) 19:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I’m going to need your help. The anon user above is being difficult. [[User:Me-123567-Me|Me-123567-Me]] ([[User talk:Me-123567-Me|talk]]) 20:18, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
::::*Don’t get into an edit war. Leave the ‘suggested merge’ tag on the List article, make your case on the talk page, and see what other comments come up. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 20:32, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::*It’s a good idea to keep the re-directs, as users may be looking for those books. [[User:Me-123567-Me|Me-123567-Me]] ([[User talk:Me-123567-Me|talk]]) 21:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== closing accounts ==
Please may I have information on how to close accounts. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:GFEpisodes|GFEpisodes]] ([[User talk:GFEpisodes|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GFEpisodes|contribs]]) 19:40, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*There isn’t really any way to close an account. There is a rather complicated procedure called the ‘Right to Vanish’, which you can find at [[WP:VANISH]]; but that is for somebody who wants to dissociate his account from his real identity. As that article says, ‘Allowing your editing to trail off or simply stopping editing is likely to be about as effective since for the most part if a user in good standing disappears people tend to accept they are gone and leave it at that. This has the advantage that you can change your mind with no penalty.’ If you don’t want to use your account any more, just stop using it. But don’t be discouraged if a couple of your articles got deleted – follow some of the pointers from the Welcome paragraph on your user page, and you may find some way you would like to contribute. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 20:01, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== account closure ==

Hi John

Thanks for that. Hope you got my email earlier explaining all.

With regards to the deleted items, it was my son who created in error, and after a conversation was made to see that he couldn’t go on wikipedia again as he doesn’t understand the ‘rules’.

Consequently it has cause alot of worry and upset for both, hence the wish to close the account.

Will just not use the account, thanks again. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.157.254.133|81.157.254.133]] ([[User talk:81.157.254.133|talk]]) 21:27, 24 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:UnsignedIP –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*I didn’t get an email, but there is absolutely ”’no need to worry”’ – Wikipedia is ”’extremely”’ resilient to new users who don’t know the ropes (as it has to be, since anyone can edit); all your son did was create a couple of articles that were deleted because they weren’t considered suitable. ”Much” worse things than that happen every day, every hour, and Wikipedia survives. I would encourage him to spend some time looking at existing articles, and reading some of the guidelines like the [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]], the [[WP:5P|Five Pillars]] and [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]], and then have another go. Another useful, though rather long, guideline is [[WP:NOT|What Wikipedia is not]]. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 22:04, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== To John CD ==

Hi! I am the author of the article [[Shooting at the Moon (book)]]. At first, when I got the template
that we were in an editing conflict, I was quite annoyed. But once I saw the changes you made, i can do no less than thank you. Thanks for fixing up the article but at the same time letting my writing survive.
–Dale S. Satre 23:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks ==

Than you for reporting 86.151.140.65. I was going to do it but you did it for me. [[User:Trainboy8|TB8]] ([[User talk:Trainboy8|talk]]) 08:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*Good of you to take it like that – in those circumstances I tend to feel like a hunter baulked of his prey. I actually saw his last vandalism on Recent Changes, clicked rollback, reported him, and was surprised to see the rollback wasn’t on my list of contributions – you must have rolled it back just before me. Better too many of us watching than not enough! Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 08:39, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

==Clarifying CSD – Thanks==
John, thank you for inadvertantly clarifying my request [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous) here]] as the CSD for French Meadow Bakery wasn’t clear when I read the relavant CSD page. The meaning of CSD G11 is now clearer!! Ian. –[[User:Ormers|Ormers]] ([[User talk:Ormers|talk]]) 13:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*No problem. It was also a copyvio from their web-site, so <nowiki>{{db-copyvio}}</nowiki> would have done as well; but I feel that a new user might feel justifiably annoyed if we say ‘delete because it’s copyright’, and he then fixes the permissions and puts it back in, and we say ‘aha! copyright may be OK now, but delete as advertising’. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 17:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Omar Spence ==

I hope I am communicating in the appropriate manner here. Omar Spence’s notability is more than as a progeny, in my view. From my research he has been a consistent spokesperson for his family in relation to legal issues concerning his late father’s estate, plus has now assumed what appears to be a fairly prominent role in evangelical music in the Santa Cruz area. His importance to Moby Grape is highlighted in how he is introduced and in his band role at the 40th anniversary Summer of Love reunion–a rough clip of which is accessible via YouTube.

I will try to come up with more convincing evidence in the next short while, assuming that the foregoing does not address your concerns.

[[User:Dreadarthur|Dreadarthur]] ([[User talk:Dreadarthur|talk]]) 16:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*Yes, it’s fine to communicate here; you should also give your view at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omar Spence|the AfD debate]]. What happens now is that any user, including you, can give their views and after a time (normally five days) an administrator will look over the debate and see whether there is a consensus to delete. (If no consensus, the default is ‘keep’.) Although the contributions look like votes, it’s not a case of counting numbers of votes, but of who puts the most convincing arguments in terms of Wikipedia’s policies. Meanwhile you can add to the article, and put a note in the AfD debate if you have added to it significantly in terms of notability. Have a look at [[WP:BIO]] – what you need to find is anything showing his ”independent” notabily. For instance ‘spokesperson for his family in relation to legal issues concerning his late father’s estate’ might merit a mention in his father’s article but isn’t really independent notability. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 17:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

In rereading my earlier notability justification and in reflecting on your comments, I am inclined to agree with your decision here. One dimension to notability may be that of keeping his father’s legacy alive, but that hasn’t fully developed as of yet. For example, I note that he is organizing a second Skip Spence Tribute Concert for this October: http://www.jambase.com/shows/event.aspx?eventid=796163. On the other hand, I can’t yet find his recorded output as an evangelical rock musician. Also, I don’t know how prominent he is locally or what degree of local prominence would support Wikipedia notability. Unless I (or hopefully others) can come up with something in the next few days, I suggest that your decision here is very much justified, and thank you for devoting the time here.

[[User:Dreadarthur|Dreadarthur]] ([[User talk:Dreadarthur|talk]]) 17:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*No problem. We’ll see what develops. Not infrequently these AfD debates inspire someone else to contribute material or develop the article. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 17:20, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Don’t know how to properly insert footnotes ==

I inserted the footnotes thoughout the article and I have a list of references at the bottom of my article. When I click on the footnote, it doesn’t link to the list of references below. Why is that? Can you please help me to edit it? Thanks.

[[User:Mfi27|Mfi27]] ([[User talk:Mfi27|talk]]) 18:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
*It looks as though you found the advice you needed at [[Wikipedia:Footnotes]]. There is one way you could tidy the references up a bit more, if you liked: when you give a link as, for instance, <nowiki>[http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=62520]</nowiki>, what appears is just a number in brackets [http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=62520]. But you can put something like <nowiki>[http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=62520 Turkish Daily News]</nowiki>, with a single space after the end of the url and then some text, and then what appears on the screen as the link will be [http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=62520 Turkish Daily News], or whatever text you choose to put after the single space and before the closing square bracket, and clicking on that will take you to the site. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 20:02, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks a lot ==

Thanks for your help!

Best Regards,

[[User:Mfi27|Mfi27]] ([[User talk:Mfi27|talk]]) 21:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

== Back Alley John page and lack of Google search pickup==

I created a page for the late Canadian blues artist Back Alley John. This was developed over a period of days in the last week or so. Initially, when I did a Google search to see how the page came up, Google picked up earlier versions of the page–in other words, the Google search would reference text that was no longer current in the initial listing, but when one clicked on the page, the current Wikipedia version woudl come up. Now the page doesn’t seem to get picked up at all on a Google search. For example, when I search ‘Back Alley John’ combined with ‘Wikipedia’, the Google result is a Wikipedia categorization page, relating to year of death. Have I done something wrong in the setup, such that Google is not picking it up? Raising this in the event that more than one Wikipedia page might be affected by something that is beyond me.

If you have a moment to address this, that would be very much appreciated. I don’t know who is the supervising Wikipedia editor for the Back Alley John Page.

[[User:Dreadarthur|Dreadarthur]] ([[User talk:Dreadarthur|talk]]) 14:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
*That’s very odd. Usually, what surprises me about Google is how ”quickly” it picks up new articles – you see an article in New Pages, maybe 2 minutes old, use Google to check on the subject, and there is the article already listed. But I’m afraid I don’t know anything about how Google works, and Wikipedia doesn’t have anything like a ‘supervising editor’ for particular pages. There is the [[WP:HELP|Help Desk]], but that’s really for questions about how to use Wikipedia; I think the best place to ask your question would be the [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)|Village Pump]]. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 16:12, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for suggested direction to resolving this mystery.

[[User:Dreadarthur|Dreadarthur]] ([[User talk:Dreadarthur|talk]]) 18:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

==[[Integration with other techniques]]==
Please assume good faith? Why dont you assume good faith in my article and allow me to finish writing it before judging?

Dont be a hypocrite.

And I am not attacking you by stating obvious facts about what you are doing and how you are acting. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:LindySoul|LindySoul]] ([[User talk:LindySoul|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LindySoul|contribs]]) 21:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*Try [[WP:AGF]] yourself. I did nothing to your article. Another user proposed it for deletion, as you can see from the history. All I did was to offer you a pointer to a Wikipedia policy, [[WP:NOTGUIDE|Wikipedia is not a manual or textbook]], because I thought the article as written looked like a textbook or ‘how-to-do-integration’ guide rather than an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]] article, and you would need to develop it differently if it was not to be proposed for deletion. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 21:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

== Goopty ==

Hi there.

Could you please undelete ‘Goopty’?. I will be adding more to it shortly. We invented this word a while back and are trying to give it some meaning. I promise this won’t be nonsense, but rather a new word people could actually use. Let me know.

Thanks,
Jonathan and Friends —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jcbunio|Jcbunio]] ([[User talk:Jcbunio|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jcbunio|contribs]]) 16:17, 27 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>

P.S. I will put it my sandbox for now if you would like, but I would really like to have this up there. Thanks. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jcbunio|Jcbunio]] ([[User talk:Jcbunio|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jcbunio|contribs]]) 16:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*Sorry, there is no chance that that article could ever be acceptable. Wikipedia is an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]], not somewhere to publicise newly-invented words. For just a few of the relevant policies, read [[WP:NFT|Wikipedia is not for things made up one day]], [[WP:NAD|Wikipedia is not a dictionary]], [[WP:OR|No original research]] and [[WP:NEO#Articles on neologisms|Articles on neologisms]]. Then follow some of the links in the Welcome paragraph I gave you, to get ideas about how to contribute constructively. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 16:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

==Halpin bios==
David Halpin

Vincent Craig Halpin

please dont delete these two links!

its a work in progress as i try to input of the correct information about these two!! They are known to us all locally for their charity/sport/business work in our community of north wales UK!

Thank you! —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chadwales|Chadwales]] ([[User talk:Chadwales|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chadwales|contribs]]) 13:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*The articles have already been deleted. Please read Wikipedia’s guideline [[WP:BIO|Notability (people)]] which explains the requirements for a biographical article. If you think the Halpins meet that requirement, you can re-create the articles, but you will do best not to put them in as articles until you have enough material, including independent references, to make it clear they are ”notable” by Wikipedia’s standards. You can prepare the articles off-line in a word-processor like Notepad; alternatively you can put <nowiki>{{underconstruction}}</nowiki> at the top (two curly brackets each side) which will discourage deletion for a few days. Even then, you should have enough material when you first put them in to make it seem likely they are going to be serious articles. (Unfortunately, we get a great many people writing one-liners about themselves and their friends). Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 13:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== BetterTrades page deletion ==

This page, which I created yesterday, was summarily deleted. This is my first page on wikipedia that I’ve started myself. I saw that other companies in the same industry were keeping pages, and I saw that other, smaller companies had pages with less content and fewer references. I cited those competitors and other pages in the talk page of the BetterTrades article. I also did some independent research, and the terms ‘bettertrades’ and ‘better trades’ in March got a combined total of around 16,000 searches in google alone. The term ‘bettertrades,’ unmistakably the brand name and registered trademark of the company, was 6,500 searches. I think that these thousands of people searching for information about this company need a good, neutral, non-marketing source of information about this relevant, huge, and growing company.[[User:Westcoastbiker|Westcoastbiker]] ([[User talk:Westcoastbiker|talk]]) 14:57, 28 August 2008 (UTC)Westcoastbiker
*If you can supply references from [[WP:IS|independent]], [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to establish that the company is ”notable”, you can re-create the article. The requirements are explained in the guideline on [[WP:N|Notability]] and in more detail in [[WP:ORG|Notability (organizations and companies)]]. As far as other companies’ articles go, a lot of unsuitable articles get in, but that is generally recognised as not being a good reason for admitting more – see [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]]. Wikipedia is an [[WP:ENC|encyclopedia]], not a business listing directory. There is also the point that articles must be written from a [[WP:NPOV|neutral point of view]], and so people are ”strongly” discouraged from writing about their own companies, because of the [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] involved. For more advice, read carefully the [[WP:BFAQ|Business’ FAQ]], in particular the sections headed:
:*[[Wikipedia:FAQ/Business#Why doesn’t Wikipedia have an article on my company?|Why doesn’t Wikipedia have an article on my company?]]
:*[[Wikipedia:FAQ/Business#I think my company deserves an article on Wikipedia but none exists. What can I do?|I think my company deserves an article on Wikipedia but none exists. What can I do?]]
:Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 15:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I have found a third-party published book with an editor that covers an interview with the CEO and founder of the company. I think that print publication is probably a suitable proof of notoriety. I can cite the book formally with the relevant information regarding the company in the article page if it is restored, or I can cite it here on the talk page if you you need to verify it first. I read everything about neutrality and notability before creating the article, and neither of those issues seemed like a problem because firstly, I’m not interested in biased content and secondly, I can give more sources on notability if needed.[[User:Westcoastbiker|Westcoastbiker]] ([[User talk:Westcoastbiker|talk]])Westcoastbiker
*If you don’t have a copy of the deleted page and need access to the text, you will have to ask {{user1|Coren}}, the admin who actually deleted it. One further point – make sure your article is drily factual with no hint of promotion – it’s worth reading the article [[WP:PEACOCK]] about terms to avoid. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 15:59, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank-you for the help. I left a message on {{user1|Coren}}’s talk page before I left one on yours, but he hasn’t responded yet. I will continue to strive for factual, demonstrative content, also considering the guidelines you just sent. Hopefully contact with Coren will prove as successful as this has.[[User:Westcoastbiker|Westcoastbiker]] ([[User talk:Westcoastbiker|talk]]) 17:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)westcoastbiker

I followed up with Coren, the user who actually deleted my page. I explained the situation, and I asked that he please restore the page to me in some way so that I might continue to rigorously edit it before publishing. Unfortunately, after reminding Coren that he had not restored the page privately after a couple days had passed, and waiting again, I still have seen no results. Is there another course of action I can take? I’m only including you because you have been responsive so far, and because you were responsible for the original deletion suggestion. It would be extremely frustrating if the page were arbitrarily deleted by Coren’s bot and never given the ability to be revised, at least without me having to start from scratch. Thanks [[User:Westcoastbiker|Westcoastbiker]] ([[User talk:Westcoastbiker|talk]]) 14:28, 2 September 2008 (UTC)Westcoastbiker
*I knew I had seen somewhere a list of admins willing to provide copies of deleted pages, and after some searching around, I have found it on the useful page [[WP:WMD|Why was my page deleted?]]. Ask one of [[:Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles]], explaining that you want to use it as a basis for an improved and hopefully acceptable article. They may either send it to you by email or ‘userfy’ it into a page in your userspace. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 15:56, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[2081 (film)]] ==

I very much enjoyed the discourse with you over this film. Perhaps we might work together and make it more suitable? ”'[[User:MichaelQSchmidt|Schmidt,]]”’ ”[[User talk:MichaelQSchmidt|MICHAEL Q.]]” 21:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
*I was just thinking of sending you a similar message. It is indeed pleasant to disagree in such a civilised way. I’m not sure much can be done for the article at present – if the film gets to Sundance and is shown there, there should be good stuff to be added. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 21:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slashed]] ==

Hi John, you commented that this article should be deleted as a hoax and/or unverifiable. Since then I have found a number of sources which strongly suggest it is genuine, and presented them at the AfD. This is just to inform you, in case you wish to reconsider your vote. Thanks. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|’?!']] 15:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
*Thanks, I’ll have a look at them later today. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 15:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

== Poole deletion ==

<nowiki>If you could, please cleanup the my Poole article by making the symbols go away, etc. Thank you very much. Please answer on my talk page.</nowiki> [[User:Marshall Williams2|Marshall T. Williams]] ([[User talk:Marshall Williams2|talk]]) 14:32, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

==C64GS==
Thankyou for redirecting me to the C64GS article it has helped me out. mcjakeqcool —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mcjakeqcool|Mcjakeqcool]] ([[User talk:Mcjakeqcool|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mcjakeqcool|contribs]]) 17:45, 30 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>

== Kendra Block ==

Why did you erase my ‘Kendra Block’ page? Go ruin soemoen else’s day will ya? I sepnt the whole time finding info on her and you deleted it!!! [[User:Karina-Kaylee|K-K]] ([[User talk:Karina-Kaylee|talk]]) 21:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
*What do you mean? No one has done anything to your [[Kendra Block]] page. [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 21:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

==[[Criticism of Bill O’Reilly (commentator)]]==
John I fealt that the page had several ‘accuracy related’ errors, which I construed as making the page ‘unneutral’ I felt that a lot of the controversies were covered only from one point of view. No where in the article does it make clear that most controversies were created by and/or involved people long regarded as of an oppossing view points. Bill O’Reilly is a conservative talk show host. Most people that make these claims are liberal talk show hosts (keith o’lberman), or other liberal sources that have opinions from a liberal position. It should be noted that ‘Media Matters’ is a extreme far left organization who recently made ‘questionable’ remarks about deceased ex-president ronald reagan’s ailing wife, stating quote ‘that witch is finally going to die’ -source San Jose Mercury news and Fox news 8/21/08. My intentions were to verify the sources for all information and editing parts of that page ‘O’Reilly controversies’ from a non-partisan and fact checked perspective.
Thanks
Dreday22 —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dreday22|Dreday22]] ([[User talk:Dreday22|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dreday22|contribs]]) 21:43, 30 August 2008 (UTC)<!– Template:Unsigned –> <!–Autosigned by SineBot–>
*Well, the thing to do then is to edit the page, not just delete it. If your changes are likely to be large or controversial, I would strongly suggest you propose them first on the article’s talk page and see what other editors think – that would help to avoid an ‘edit war’ where you make changes and others change them back. Also, remember that this is only one of the articles about O’Reilly, because if all the information was in one article it would be too large, and as this is the ‘Criticism’ one it is bound to be anti – it needs to be balanced with the other articles on him. I hope you won’t need it, but if you have problems, take a look at the guideline on [[WP:DR|Dispute resolution]]. Regards, [[User:JohnCD|JohnCD]] ([[User talk:JohnCD#top|talk]]) 21:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== IMMEDIATE HELP! ==

<nowiki>Please see the section I left on admin Tn-Xman (or something like that) and please do it! We need to change it imediately! Please please do it right away! {{talkpage}}</nowiki> [[User:Marshall Williams2|Marshall T. Williams]] ([[User talk:Marshall Williams2|talk]]) 23:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
*(answered on his talk page)

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